Curse

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 01, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by Zaklex

Again using CA as the example, when CA was told to remove M??(forgot the dang name of that additive already), the oil companies wanted to use a different additive that was just as effective as ethanol, and cheaper as it could be produced in state, but no, the EPA(with some pushing by cornbelt reps/sens) insisted that only ethanol could be added to CA gas, which of course needs to be transported all the way from Iowa or other nearby states, increasing the cost of refining.

The reason why MTBE is under criticism is because research is demonstrating that may be causing more harm than good. MTBE is a water soluble carcinogen which has been leaching into the soil from underground MTBE storage tanks. Santa Monica lost 75% of it's drinking water wells and South Lake Tahoe lost 33% of it's wells due to MTBE contamination.

Zaklex · Sep 01, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang

The reason why MTBE is under criticism is because research is demonstrating that may be causing more harm than good. MTBE is a water soluble carcinogen which has been leaching into the soil from underground MTBE storage tanks. Santa Monica lost 75% of it's drinking water wells and South Lake Tahoe lost 33% of it's wells due to MTBE contamination.

Correct, but there is a safer, I'll bet slightly more expensice alternative to MBTE(thanks for that), that could have been used instead of ethanol, 95% of which is produced in the states of Iowa and Ill and must be transported to refineries in CA, which makes ethanol a higher priced additive to the alternative chemical to MTBE(wish I new the name of it). Of course, we could always use engines that run on pure ethanol, then we would just need to increase corn production.

Has anyone bothered to figure out just how much MTBE it would take to kill someone, and just how long would it take to kill you.

Alura Pyro · Sep 01, 2005, 08:48 PM // 20:48

or we could modify our cars to run off grain alcohol like my father in-law did
(you get funny looks when you have a garden hose in your gas tank)
he had to thin the stuff or it burned to hot

Xonic · Sep 01, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03

http://www.gasbuddy.com/

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 01, 2005, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Zaklex

Has anyone bothered to figure out just how much MTBE it would take to kill someone, and just how long would it take to kill you.

Well there's the rub. It's a presumed carcinogen but that hasn't been proven. So, if at all, it's going to manifest as cancer years after exposure. MTBE-contaminated water is said to taste like turpentine so it's not a very subtle contaminant either.

So the answer is.... I don't know.

Alura Pyro · Sep 01, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28

turpintine tast yummy in my tummy

This MTBE will give you cancer just like yellow-5 if you drink 5 gallons a day for a year you WILL get cancer

Krank · Sep 01, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

3.23 here

Kuku Monk · Sep 02, 2005, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature

It's a real shame gas stations are using the tragedy as an excuse to raise prices. I'm guessing this is the case since they have been raising prices before Katrina hit too. I don't know how much of the oil refinery infrastructure (compared to all the other refineries in the US) was taken out but was it really enough to affect prices nationally? Fill me in if you know more. I just heard on the radio that the prices may go up to £1 a litre here now. I wouldn't mind paying £1.10 if I knew the oil companies were donating some of it to help the people. And are they gonna go down when the refineries are rebuilt? I bet they won't.

Negative, crude oil prices in the Middle East were rising before the hurricane. They were over $70 a barrell last time I checked. Mix that in with the hurricane messing up the production in the US and you've got a reasonable hike. To further flame the situation, add crazy morons who have to save $0.30/gallon b/c they know the prices will go up. This creates a higher demand where there is already a lack of supply. Thus, the price increase, although astronomical to some, is warranted.

Gas was $3.39 here this morning.

sino-soviet · Sep 02, 2005, 04:14 PM // 16:14

I just moved to the USA about a week ago, and the gas prices here are cheap compared to what I got before.

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 02, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by sino-soviet

I just moved to the USA about a week ago, and the gas prices here are cheap compared to what I got before.

Yep. Most of us in the US don't realize how good we've got it.

Divinitys Creature · Sep 02, 2005, 04:30 PM // 16:30

OPEC should like help out by increasing production or something.

sino-soviet · Sep 02, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature

OPEC should like help out by increasing production or something.

OPEC probably doesn't want to help us out.

Vermilion Okeanos · Sep 02, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36

I remember some were saying that it was because of china's usage for gas are growing in such a rapid rate that the gas company are now battling for some gas for themselves.

well... I guess that might hold some truth, if suddenly 1-2 billion people all of sudden decide to use car instead of bicycle...

Kurow · Sep 02, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

The oil prices will never go down. Ever. We have already passed the halfway point of the worlds oil reserves.

ty3c · Sep 02, 2005, 09:39 PM // 21:39

well now 60M in oil reserves are bring relesed

so we should have lower prices on gas once that fuel gets in

sino-soviet · Sep 02, 2005, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Okeanos

I remember some were saying that it was because of china's usage for gas are growing in such a rapid rate that the gas company are now battling for some gas for themselves.

China and the USA are wasting and consuming so much gas that I'm not surprised if it doubles within a two year span.

Old Dood · Sep 02, 2005, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Looks like the Governor of Michigan Jennifer Granholm has price capped the gas at $2.99/gallon.

Way to Go Jenny!!

Sure beats $3.59/gallon that I was starting to see around town.

EchoSex · Sep 02, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Old Warrior Dood

Looks like the Governor of Michigan Jennifer Granholm has price capped the gas at $2.99/gallon.

Way to Go Jenny!!

Sure beats $3.59/gallon that I was starting to see around town.

Thats it, I'm moving. Excellent move by the Governor, wish Romney would get up off his ass and do something too >.> (We've been partitioning the quality of the drinking water for years - the aquaducts and water systems are in bad shape, lots of toxins. He still hasn't done anything about it, though.)

DergeDraconis · Sep 03, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07

3.15 for low grade
3.40 for medium grade
3.70 for premium

Northwest Pennsylvania

8:00PM Friday

Terrible...

Ultimate_Gaara · Sep 03, 2005, 12:24 AM // 00:24

I have not check the prices out here today, but i may go to the store later tonight so i can check it out.. which is weird because i don't even have a car